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  1. Hidden Treasure

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    There is supposed to be buried in one of Butlers field. It belonged to Damer of Shronell. Damer himself buried it there. At one time he used to be turning the gold to keep it fresh and to be sure none of it was stolen he hid it. From time to time people have searched for this gold but so far and of it have never been found.
    One day a man by the name of Mick McCarthy of Latten found a bar of gold when he was digging in the garden.
  2. Damer's Soldiers and Liam Dall

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    One night Damers soldiers went to Liam Dalls house and they said "where are you Heffernan" and Liam answered "Where (are) am (my) I but where I always was in the dark.
    Liam Dall wrote the nicest song that was wrote in any language the name of it is Pé i nEirinn í it is all about Ellen from Shronell he said that she was the most beautiful and loveliest girl that was known.
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    The road from the Cross of Shronnell to Bohereen Bee Bridge...

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    The road from the Cross of Shronell to Bohereen Bee Bridge was almost a village in Damer's Time. It was there the "Frisling" lived. Heffernan lived at the Bridge left where Pat McGrath of Deerpark sold the farm.
    Damer intended to built the town of Tipperary around
  4. Damer's Gold

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    Damer's Gold
    About the time when Cromwell invaded Ireland, there lived in Shronell in Co. Tipperary, a candle maker named Damer who was an Italian. When the monks of Cashel Abbey heard that Cromwell was invading the monasteries, they packed all their gold and silver into ferkins and put a light coat of tallow over them. Cromwell took the Abbey, and held an auction on all the goods there. Damer went to the auction and purchased two of the supposed ferkins of tallour. When he reached home he plied at his trade, and digging down into one of the ferkins, he found instead of tallour, gold, silver and other valuable things. Hurrying to the Abbey, he purchased the remaining ferkins. Damer became one of
  5. Damer's Gold

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    There was a man one time named Mr. Damer who lived outside Tipperary at a place called Shronell in the parish of Lattin in Co. Tipperary. He had a very large house there and there was one room in it which contained nothing but gold. There was a tailor living near by and he was making a trousers for this man. When he had it finished Mr. Damer asked what he would charge. The tailor replied that he would charge him nothing if he could get a look at his gold. Mr. Damer asked what good that would do him but the tailor replied that he would be satisfied to get one look at it. Then Mr. Damer opened the door of the room in which the gold was. Then he saw the beautiful sparkling gold and he began admiring it. Then Mr. Damer told him he could take as much as would fill his two hands. Then the tailor went into the room and generally a tailor never laces his shoes when he comes off the table. When he went into the room he put his shoes into the gold so as to fill them and he also took the full of his two hands.
  6. Severe Weather

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    lost, and on the same date in the year 1936 there was another great snowfall a motor car was snowbound on the top of the hill of Shronell.
    3. Great thunder-storms: - There was a great thunder storm in the year 1932.
    4. Nobody around here know anything about the night of the ig wind only that it was in the year 1839.
  7. On Damer

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    1. The ruins: Between the Cross of Shronell and the village of Lattin there stands the remains of an old house in which lived a long time ago a man called Damer
    2. Who he was: Damer was a soldier of Cromwell, he was a man to make money, and he was a candle-maker
    3. As rich as Damer." There was nobody as rich as Damer or never will, Damer was a very rich man. He had tons of money. He had the rooms full of gold. Damer's house is nearly down now there is only the end of the house there now. It fell away bit by bit.
  8. Storytellers

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    William Ryan told the story of a Hidden Treasure. Ned Dwyer told the story about straddle and two terriers. And the story of the lights seen in Shronell graveyard. Mick Ryan told the story about the heedless Caoch and Harry Saddlier appearing in the village of Lattin. William Crowe told the story about Denis Hennessy getting mad, and he told the story about Ned O Neill finding the crock of gold.
    Nick Dalton told the story of Daniel Quirke finding his mothers boot full of money.
    William Hayes (S) told the Story of John Keating getting a magic wand from a little man.
  9. Hidden Treasure

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    and met a fairy, He asked him for gold and the fairy man decided there would be a flag and under it shall be the gold. Next day Neddy went out and it was all flags he was in a muddle. He got a spade and shovel dug and as they were digging Ned said I will buy Mooresfort if I get it. When Jack came on he said he would rather cattle jobbing than gold you will not find.
    2. Attempt. Two men from Shronell Jacky Molloney and Jim dug in the ring of furzes and a bull appeared who was guarding the gold. He chased them to death.
    3. Lights. There is a light seen in Hourigans in Damer Ville at the moat on the right hand side of the Danaghers passage.
  10. Damer

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    a back wall and a side wall.
    2. Who he was. Long ago there did a great man live in Shronell his name was Damer. He used to get tallow from Cashel and he used make candles. This day he got a lot of barrels. On the top of the barrels there was tallow and underneath the tallow there was gold and from that day on he was rich. He used to buy land in the (dear) cheap times and sell it in the dear times. It is said in an old proverb "As rich as Damer". Then his wife used be always talking and he built a tower up in Mount Bruce and locked her into it he used to feed her on bread and water.
  11. Hidden Treasure

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    come down to John Damers and take a piece of gold and take it home to her nest and one day Jackie Hanrahans great great grandfather and old Mick Dwyers grandfather was cutting the tree that the jack daw had all the gold and they got it all.
    Mack Carthy of Lattin found when digging the garden and big long piece of gold. John Damer hid it there. And he lost it again around the place and he couldn't find it so some prime boy came along and picked it up. John Damer hid all his gold around Shronell and now is our chance to find a bit of gold around the fields but sure when we dont we must do with out it the decent people of this parish are to lazy to dig for gold and sliver.
    There is a black dog seen over at Roesboro and he carries a chain with him and a candle in his paw and he ran after Michael Hayes over as far as John Hayes and followed Davie Brophy to and he tore his britches. Michael Hayes told me that the other night if this is lies or truth I don't know.
  12. Liam Dall

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    When Liam was ten years of age John Damer got the Court in the years 1720 to 1767. When Liam was 25 years of age he started to teach school at Bthereen Buidhe Bridge when he stayed at Hanley's and after that he started a school at Moloney's farm where O Donnell's live now in 1740 and when he used to get tired of teaching he used to put the Fiddle under his top coat and walk away to Croom where there was a great butty of his there by the name of Séan Clárach mac Domhaill and there was a great welcome for him to play the Fiddle the way that it would draw customers in the shop because they had a public house. When Liam got old the only way he had to make money was to play the Fiddle at he dancing, wakes and weddings. The only happy time in Liams life was when he would go to Bothereen Buidhe Bridge and when he was young he used to play with his cousins the Hanlys. There was two sons and five daughters who went to America and there is no trace of any of their relations around Bothereen Bhuidhe Bridge and Shronell.
    The two cousins he used to play with were Tadhg and Nora who were a little older han himself but the others of the family were older.
  13. Liam Dall and John Damer

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    When John Damer lived at Damer Court he wanted a school so he got one built just a little bit above the cross of Shronell where Deeres live now all his workmen could send their children to it and the Presbiterians and Catholics could go to that school he gave the master a small plot of land to live on.
    One day Liam Dall went to Lattin and the Lattin boys said that they would have a bit of sport and they started to scradding him so one boy by the name of Quinlan said that it was not right to scrad a blind man so Liam Dall cursed them and the curse fell on them and the boy who spoke for him he blessed him and the blessing went with him.
    When the Fair of Knockarding would once a year Lia Dall used to be delighted because his friend Seán Clárach Mac Domhnaill would come with he tent and the fair would last for nearly a week and Liam would sit in the tent and play the fiddle and that night they
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    Liam Dall did not keep a hedge school where O Donnells now live.

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    Liam Dall did not keep a hedge school where O Donnells now live. I stated this previosuly. I incline again to the view that it was in Rathfain, or more probably soem other cabin between the Cross of Shronell + Boherean Bridge
    Mrs Glynn N. I. Emly clams that Leam Dall belongs to her Heffernans the Glenbane Heffernans. She alleges that his mother (84) yrs) says + always said so, She probably did since it became generally known that Leam Dall was a great poet. She would be correct in so far as that all the Heffernans would be the same Heffernans of we went far around lane of eve went back sever generations.
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    About three hundred years ago there was no Parish of Lattin there.

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    About one hundred years ago there was no Parish of Lattin there. They were only the Parish of Shronell and Mount Bruis. They were no Churces o Catholic Schools at that time, Father Enright used be going back to Lattin saying Mass, he had no one to answer the Mass for him. One day he was saying Mass he asked all the women no were they able to serve Mass but none of them were not able. He send for Blind William Heffernen and he came, they were just in the middle of the Mass when in came flogging Fitzgerald and his soldiers with him. They surrunded the Chapel and Fitzgerald came in and he said to the priest who is this fellow with you Blind William spoke up and said he was able to speak for himself and he told them who he was, William prayed in Latin that Fitzgerald would get a bad death and that everyone like him would be swept out of Ireland and Fitzgerald went out the Mass in Lattin was nevr touched after.
    In Ireland in 1743 the people hoped that there would be a rising in Ireland. John Damer knew that Liam Dall Heffernen was advising the people to rebel, and he send for Liam Dall. Damer said to him that he was giving him a guide, the guide was a spy. Liam Dall was in dread that Damer would put him to jail, the why Damer was giving Liam Dall a guide because the guide would tell him everything Liam Dall would
  16. Severe Weather

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    -ked by that wind.
    3 Severe thunderstorms: There were a fiercethunderstorms there twenty five years ago. It killed five cows belonged to Thomas Looby of Shronell. And ten horses back to in Killmalock.
    4. Great Rainfalls. There weren't often many rainfalls around this place long ago that I know of. But still there was a one there. Because the people call it now the flood.
    5. Heavy snowfalls= There did often a heavy snowfall of snow fall. It used to be very high them times. It used to cover little huts that people were living in. Some people died.
  17. Local Riddles

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    1.Q. What goes up when the rain comes down?
    A. An umbrella.
    2.Q. What time is it when it strikes thirteen?
    A. Time to buy a new.
    3.Q. Why is mass said in Lattin?
    A. Because there is no chapel in Shronell.
  18. A Forgotten Tipperary Poet

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    Deaths darksome bondage broken
    My dull, deaf ear had woken
    And at the spell-word spoken,
    I'd burst from the tomb.
    Heffernan is buried at Shronell but his grave is only known to a fair in the district. May Providence bless the clay enwrapping the remains of all our bards, especially that of those children of song who made Faith and Fatherland and the worthy subject of their lays.
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    The story of the girl in a trance being brought in a coffin to Lattin for burial...

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    meet Cromwell's army at the Cross of Shronell. Those Heffernans Liam Dall's teither's father was their brother entertained the officers for a week + the army rested on their lands. There were two distilleries there. On leaving Ireton asked.
    "Heffernan you have shown yourself a well disposed man + have entertained in myself what return can we wake you.
    Heff. You can do nothing for me but if leave me I am. However you could do worse than remember my steward Mr. Smith.
    Ireton: He shouldn't be forgotten. Such got three farm grabs of land. Roe's of Ruisboro + Ballykisteen + he left the three grabs to his daughters. Smith became a protestant, + was one of the cloaks under which the Lattin Heffernans held their lands. All Heffernans now are Lattin Heffernans. They were the big boys' fado + we dearly love an lord.
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    About three hundred years ago there was no Parish of Lattin there.

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    say. In 1745 Liam Dall and the guide were coming from Charleville they were crossing a trench the guide missed his step and he fell down in the deep trench. Liam Dall shouted for help but no help came, then Liam Dall thought if he when home without the guide. Damer would hang him because he would think he murdered him Then Liam Dall began to feel along the water with his hands for the guide, he caught him by the hair of the head and pulled him up. When they came back Liam Dall thought there would be a rising in Ireland but there was only a rising in Scotland and Bonnie Prince Charlie came back Damer was stiff and sacked the guide and left Liam Dall plough along the roads by himself nobody would guide him.
    There was war in Ireland in 1641 to 1651 and the Cromwellians were capturing all the cities. He had a lot of soldiers. One of them was Joseph Damer and the Stewards name was Smith. The Cromwellians passed the Cross of Shronell when they were going to capture the city of Limerick and Kilmallock castle Then the Cromwellians were putting out the Catholics out of their lands. Ireton asked a man there by the name of Heffernan if he wanted anything they would help him. Heffernan said to leave him as he was because he had a lot of land from Emly to Lattin, he said they were another man named Smith he said it was he that had helped him all. Ireton took it all down in his book when the time came he gave Smith a big lot of land. Jospeh Damer got a lot of land and he build a house in Mount Bruis. When he died he left it to John Damer he came over from Co. Dorset in England.