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  1. The Hidden Treasure

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    In the year 1519 there was an old man by the name of Victor Maid who lived in Shronell. He had eighty thousand gold sovereigns and fifty pounds in sliver. He is buried in Shronell grave yard at the north-west side of it with ten led coffins under him. In the coffin under him he has the gold and in the upper coffin he has silver. His brother made many attempt to find it but every attempt he made he got a gold sovereign and he told him what to do with the money.
  2. Plantations

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    Ellen from Shronell used to come to the dance and she was the most beautiful girl at the dance and Liam Dall wanted to be married to her and when the boys would go to the Sheebeen and get drunk they would have a row over Ellen from Shronell and while Ellen would be dancing Liam Dall would play the loveliest music that he ever played.
  3. My Home District

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    1 Townland: I live in Shronell Mór in the barony of Clan William.
    2. No. of families: About eleven families live in Shronell Mór.
    3. Houses thatched or slated: There are about eight slated houses in Shronell Mór and there are but two thatched houses there.
    4. Old peoples name: There is but one old
  4. Damer

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    At the time Cromwell was in Ireland Damer was a candlemaker who lived in Cashel. Cromwell gave him some land in Shronell. When the soldiers burned Cashel the monks before they left the Abbey they smeared the gold with tallow and the soldiers put it up for sale thinking it was tallow and John Damer bought it and when he found out it was gold he brought nine cart loads of it and he had to nail the gold to the outside of the cart. On his way he had to rest at Comans Kilfeacle about a half a mile from this school. When he reached Shronell he built a Castle there and put the gold in a strong room and
  5. Great Flu

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    killed more people than were killed in the great war. The strong people were killed quicker than the weak people. When the flu came into the house every one would take it. Whiskey was the cure for it and whiskey was very scarce for it was after the great. It killed William Vaughan and Margaret Vaughan. Mrs Hogan and Mr. Hogan. The least coffins that were in a house at the one time were two. It lasted six weeks, never a disease came to Shronell as bad as the flu. And there were never as many people in Shronell as were there that time.
  6. Great Flu

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    The flu epidemic whas in (I) Shronell in 1919. It
  7. My Home District

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    person in Shronell Mór that is Margaret Luby.
    5. Houses and ruins: there are no ruins or old houses in Shronell Mór
  8. Hidden Treasure

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    Hidden Treasure
    Damer of Shronell, who lived in the 18th century, was reputed to be the richest man in Ireland, so rich that, "as rich as Damer" has become a proverb in the the south of Ireland. An Irish peasant song includes the following lines: -
    "There was auld Paddy Murphy had money galore,
    And Damer of Shronell had twenty times more,
    They are now on their back under nettles + stones"
    Damer's castle in ruins is still to be seen at Shronell, some three miles west of Tipperary town. The story goes that he got his money by selling his soul to the devil, for as much gold as would fill his boot - at top boot. On the appointed day, the devil came with his pockets well filled with sovereigns and guineas, as much as he thought was sufficient to fill any loot. But meantime Damer had removed the heel and fixed the boot in the floor, with a hole in the boards underneath, opening into a room below. The devil flung in handful after handful, till his pockets were empty, but still the boot was not filled. He then sent out a signal such as they understand in hell, on which a crowd of little imps arrived, all laden with golden coins. These were emptied into the boot and still no sign of its being filled. He had to send them many times for more, till at last he succeeded in filling the room beneath, as well as the boot; on which the bargain
  9. On Treasures

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    There did a man live in Shronell about a hundred years ago. His name was Thomas Murphy. He was in bed one night and he dreamt of a treasure being found at some bridge around Shronell or Ballinard. He said to his wife when he got up in the morning.
    "I was dreaming last night of a jar of gold found underneath a bridge. His wife told him to go and find it, so he went up to the bridge of Ballinard and started to dig there underneath it. So he was digging away and he stuck his
  10. Liam Dall

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    way the people would not know what it was all about it he wrote Croabh Ruadh a short way he wrote Cbhrdh. The Sussex Heffernans say that Liam was not blind from birth but that his step-mother was treating him badly one day and she blinded him. The Sussex Heffernans are not descended from Liam but they could be descended from Liam's father because when Liam's father got married the second time he had three sons and two daughters. There is proof that Liam was blind from birth [?] because ten miles from Shronell there is relations of Liam's and they are blind from birth but it could be possible that Liam was not altogether blind he could be an albino because when the Irish language was speaking they had nick names on the people and it is possible that he was not completely blind but he got the nick name Liam Dall.
    Ellen from Shronell name was Ellen Moloney and Liam Dall and John Damer wanted Ellen. John Damer was a nephew of Joseph Damer and at times Liam Dall and Damer were great friends sometimes and other times they were not great atall. After Ellen died John Damer got married to Margaret Roe of Roesboro and they did not agree very well so after a couple of years she left him because she had her eye on another young man in London. At that time there was dragoons living where Franklins live now to guard Damer when he would be going on a journey but Ellen had her eye
  11. Joseph Damer's Burial

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    John Damer died in the year 1740 and some people say that he was buried in Dublin and Dean Swift wrote his Epataph.
    In Clais Eilíse on the Emly road when Queen Elizabeth was queen there was supposed to be a bettle fought there and that when the battle was over they dug a trench and they buried the soldiers in it that us how it got the name of Calis Eilíse, but people by the name of Hefferman's and when Liam Dall was 70 years old he went to live with them and it is said that he died with them and their graves are in Lattin graveyard and there was a woman of the Hefferman buried there thirty years ago and before she died she said that she would be buried down on top of her great grand uncle Liam Dall. Fr. Hohn Power P.P Kilteely who died int he year 1819 said that Liam was buried in Lattin. Fr John Power was 87 years of age when he died.
    A man in Shronell by the name of Michael Cahill ("Gratlín") his grandfather told him that he Liam was buried at the foot of the Hawthorn bush in Shronell graveyard. The Clais Elíse Heffernans were step brothers and step sisters to Liam Dall and one was named Othó
  12. A Forgotten Tipperary Poet

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    Wm Heffernan ( The Dall ) Shronell

    From the Nationalist by "Arra"
    A few words about William Heffernan a poet who flourished in Lattin was born at Shronell, the great affliction of blindness, so frequently the unhappy disability of many a gifted child of song was his. Although poor himself, and hardly having, I believe, any special residence, he is said to be of an ancient and highly respectable family. His education he acquired by attending a school kept by a Mr Valentine Roche at Lattin and listening there to the pupils go through their exercises. The poet, judging from the frequent allusions of his compositions to ancient heroes, not only of Ireland, but also of other lands, must have been pretty well up in history. For John Damer, the celebrated wealthy man, be entertained very bitter feeling and in
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    The field at the the left hand side of Bothereen...

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    sterility. Joseph Damer 1628-1720 never married but there is a tradition that he would make wife of any woman who would bear him a child. Various Irish girls from around Mount Bruis, Shronell sought to become his lawfully wedded wife.
    Leam Dall conducted an hedge school opposite John Damer Court for a number of year where Bill Donnells Cottage now stands + within 200 yards of Franklin's House which hpuse was built by Joseph Damer as abarracks for his cavalry escort. The school functioned while the escort were within 200 yards of it during the penal laws.
    Michael Cahill, "Gratlur" a the Country home Cashell mountains Liam Dall was buried + born in Shronell + that his grandfather so informed him at the east side of a hawthorn bush.
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    The story of the girl in a trance being brought in a coffin to Lattin for burial...

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    John Casey, Faremer Lizard 75 years told me the story of this girl in a trance being brought in a coffin to Lattin for burial + of her being left to the O Heffernans for the last 1./2 mil of the road. The od custom was being obserbed. She was either the mother of the O HefferCousidines or of Leam Dall. He spoke of Leam Dall going to bed + stay at there when he was about to compose a poem _ of his story of then until it was composed.
    James Walsh of Emly 75 ex railway employee native of Lizard folkloresh sentiguarean told me Leam Dall was born in Shronell + buried in Shronell I aked him how he knew. He saw it in books. His is obviously wrong + so and the books. He was in Croom 1936 + found there in Seán Twoomeys house a tradition of the blind poet from Lattin going there to the Bundic School.
    Mr Heffernan afterwards the COnsidine Heffernan sent their steward named Smith (MacGowan) to
  15. A Story

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    not care because he was getting his money. The Court was a lovely building there were 365 windows, there were six marble(s) pillars in the front of it. There were thirty corners in it and thousands of carved stones which would take a week to carve one of them. And there were some beautiful horse stables at the back of the building.
    His steward was living where Dainer's are living now but he did not mind the people stealing the stones and timber and glass because he was taking some himself, they took it bit by bit. After Damer dying Liam Dall wrote a poem about him. In the first verse he said he was so sorry his heart was broken. In the second verse he said he was not a bit sorry the Court of Shronell to be knocked, in the third verse he said he was not a bit sorry the yellow gold to be scattered. Liam Dall called John Damers brother an old pack goat and he said that Damer would not give a farthing to the priest if he brought him back from the dead. And in the last verse he said they were no eclipse on the sun and the moon was shining lovely and bright and the riches man in the world to be dead. He said he was not a bit sorry to have him under the flags of Shronell.
  16. Joseph Damer's Burial

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    Joseph Damer (1628-1720) is buried in Shronell Grave yard at the N. E. corner. The mound on his grave is still high. There is no headstone The alleged reason for the mound being higher that when hw was being buried there coffins were used all of land. He was put in one of them + three more corpses in the other two. Nobody knew which was which. This was a precaution lest his remains would be interfered with. "His Man" is buried beside him. I give this for it seems or seemed to be universally accepted he was buried in Dublin in St Paul's Graveyard - His nephew John Damer of the County of Dorset was.
    Wm Keane. N. S.
    Shronell
    Damer of Shronell had plenty of gold
    And Devonshire treasures were twenty times more
    They lay on their back mid kettles + stone
    Agus Fáfims siúd mar atha siad
    Darby Ryan, of the low.
  17. Hidden Treasure

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    was concluded. The story does not tell what became of Damer in the end, but such agreements usually end up by the sinner tricking Satan out of his bargain. However it is the popular belief in Shronell that the gold still lies hidden in the ruins of Damer's castle.
  18. Great Walkers

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    Once upon a time there was a travelling man who was allways boasting of how quick he could walk. One day he was telling them one of his great stories about walking at the Cross of Shronell, so a servant boy by the name of O'Grady. And he said he would challenge him for ten shillings aside.
  19. Great Walkers

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    Jack Holigan lived in Shronell about two hundred year's ago, he was supposed to be the quickest walker in the country. He could walk at the rate of ten miles per hour he was famed all over Ireland for his speed so he met a man from Cahir who never had tried to walk quick before but they started a walking race to know who would be in Bansha first so when they
  20. Damer and Family, Shronell

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    Joseph Damer born 1572 claimed desert from W M D'Amory who came over with the conquerer. Robt. Damer born 1571 married 1600. John Damer son born 1602 married 1628.
    Joseph Damer [?] born 1628 embarked with Cromwell in the parliamentary wars to Ireland.
    And commanded a troop of horse and twice deputed upon secret negociations to Cardinal Wazarin and after the restoration sold his English lotates in Dorsetshire and of omsets here purchased Shronell whither he romoved and died a Bachelor at the extreme age of 92 July 6th 1720.
    First adventure to Ireland John Damer of Shronell his nephew a successor married 1724 to Wargt Roe daughter to Andy Roe of Roesboro and had no issue died 1768. Leaving his estates to his brother Joseph Damer of same county of Dorset in England who was born in 1676 and married Dec 6th 1714. and had an issue